The Everyday Mystic

The Psychology of Wealth: Scaling to Millions Without the Burnout w/ Emily Wilcox

• Corissa Saint Laurent • Episode 79

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Emily June Wilcox is a wealth and business coach, author, and speaker on a mission to help women entrepreneurs heal their money wounds, make more profit in business, and build passive income so they can experience true financial and time freedom.

After scaling two companies and achieving her financial dreams, Emily hit a wall. She felt anxious and unsettled, rather than able to bask in the glory of her achievements.

She was called to the inner work – reparenting my inner child, diagnosing and healing my money wounds, and breaking my patterns of hustle & delayed gratification – which led to back to back million dollar years and a true sense of success, joy and abundance. 
 

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Corissa Saint Laurent:

Hey, beautiful souls. Thank you for joining me on the Everyday Mystic, where we demystify the mystical and transform your everyday life into one of greater meaning, higher purpose, and true joy. Before we get to our guest today, I wanted to share a little bit about where the podcast is going. I have always had very conversational interviews with my guests, and I let them know that beforehand. Some of them have been really prepared and uh have been used to being interviewed, and they loved the fact that we had a conversation. And I hope that you, the listeners, enjoy that as well because I definitely do. And I'm going to continue with more of that kind of tone. Conversational, me and another everyday mystic talking about topic, topics that are coming through in that moment that are tied certainly to that person's expertise in life story, but are something that spirit might be delivering to us that moment to share with you. That's happened very naturally on a lot of the episodes, but this is going to be the intention moving forward. And I think with that, or I feel very strongly that with this intention, we will get more channeled messages for you, more multidimensional transmissions that are meant for you. And more of what I hope helps you actually live an everyday mystic life, a life that is connected to the oneness of all that is, that is grounded in this earthly plane and yet is connected to all of the other realms of our existence, to where you are living in an incredible, balanced whole in the best and highest way possible in this lifetime, but with all the resources that you have at your disposal, not just the earthly resources that we think we're all about. Each one of my guests brings that kind of energy to the world. That's part of what they're doing here. And so these conversations are going to be a way for us to transmit energy and information and I hope inspiration to you, the listener, to get whatever it is you might need from it in that moment. So that's the direction, not a huge diversion from where we've been going, but uh as I talk to guests and do uh solo casts, that will be my intention. If there are things that you want covered on this podcast that you wish to hear about and learn about and experience, feel free to reach out to me and be happy to entertain those ideas. This is a living, breathing project. It's a beautiful, I hope, to you, way and means of you learning. You don't necessarily need to go out and spend tons of money to learn how to connect to what's already there. But I understand that that connection and getting connected can come with all sorts of peril, can come with all sorts of barriers, blockades, walls that we put up ourselves. Some of them are were put up for us, and then we hold them up ourselves. And I get it. I've absolutely been there. I still am there in some areas of my life. And I understand 100% what it feels like to be in my own way, not knowing that I actually have that key and I'm holding it in my hand, and there it is. I can absolutely just unlock the door and walk out. That there really is no door to walk out of. That realization, however, has come from many years of both overcoming challenges and obstacles in a hard way and then also in a beautiful, easeful way. My guests have been there as well. They know what it feels like to be on that other side of not knowing who they really are, not knowing that they have all of these incredible resources at their disposal to tap into at any moment whenever they need it, to live the life they wish. Every single one of them has been there as well. And if you feel like you're there in some aspect of your life, just know that we're not talking to you or talking at you from some exalted place of, oh, well, you know, good luck down there wherever you are in this uh struggle. We're talking to you from understanding and having been in that struggle. And oftentimes still in that struggle in some area of our lives, in some aspect of our lives. So when you hear and receive these transmissions, I hope it's from this place of receptiveness to the love that's there for you, the love that we feel inside ourselves for ourselves and for this precious life. And through that love, you can start to tap into your own inner wise self, that higher self that knows what it is you're here for, what it is you have to give, who you really are. Getting there can certainly come from listening to a podcast like this and learning practices that are shared throughout these episodes, as well as just getting inspired and going, you know what, I can do this too. That person sounds a lot like me. And look at what they've done. I can also do that. And then, of course, there's more help that we can offer as people who have walked the walk, forged the strength that we carry now in the fires of our lives. And we can offer different experiences for you to help you along the way, things that have helped us along the way. I certainly didn't get to where I am right now without help from other people, without guidance from mentors, teachers, spiritual texts, from spiritual systems and practices. I have gleaned so much of the wisdom that I carry from others. And you can too. Beyond the podcast, there are experiences that you're going to start seeing pop up on the Everyday Mystic website for you to dive more deeply into. So these will be experiences that will take what you've heard on the podcast, what you might be exploring on your own in other ways, and way a way for you to take that deeper, to work with others in that area of your life or in this particular way that you have not yet worked. And all of that to transmit and open you up to what's already there, to who you already are. And I know that sounds like, well, why do I need to go through that experience to get to where I already am? Well, that's life. That's what we're here doing. That's why we entered into this contract on this earthly plane to go through that. And so the experience of life is life. The experience of life is the spiritual journey, the experience of everything that's here and all that's offered up to us and that we can tap into and dive deep into is what life is all about. Even the shitty stuff, even the hardest challenges, those two are offered up as opportunities for us to grow and to experience the richness of life and to feel into everything that makes us human. And that's to me a beautiful gift in and of itself to get to have that, to get to experience all of that. So these experiences that you'll see on the website are going to be guided experiences for you, whether they come in the form of a retreat, an event, a program, a course, or something else that we haven't dreamed up yet. These will be ways for you to deepen your own experience on this spiritual mystical path into and back to your inner wise self and back to your connection to all that is. I have an experience up there now for leaders. So if you are in a leadership position and you're looking to level up your leadership through tapping into your soul and into your inner guidance, then that is absolutely for you. Go and check it out on the everydaymystic.org, and you will soon see more experiences from my guests as well as collaborations between me and my guests on there for you to tap more deeply into this work. Now I want to introduce my guest today, Emily June Wilcox. She is a wisdom wealth coach. I think I throw that term on there, the wisdom part, but she's very wise. And so to me, that seems fitting. She's a wealth coach and a business coach, but not coming from it from a strategic standpoint of okay, this is how you go about organizing your accounts and your budget. Yes, there might be some information like that gleaned from her work and her website. But what she's approaching this, let's say, problem with is a solution that derives from your soul, from the inner guidance that we're talking about. And this is all learned by her by walking this walk. She had a multi-six-figure business, but was unhappy, dissatisfied, didn't understand why she had finally reached her dreams and felt completely empty around that. And I'm sure some of you can relate to that. Those leaders that I'm calling out to to join my program are those people. They've achieved these great heights, the titles, the salaries, all of the things that they thought would make them happy and they're in positions of power and yet they feel powerless. Emily was no different. She realized in that moment she was at a crossroads and that she had this opportunity to either struggle and suffer in what she was doing or figure out a new way. And she very intuitively and smartly went within and dealt with her inner wounds, healed what needed to be healed within her and inside her, tapped in and found her higher self-resources and connected back to source consciousness to get all of the resources of the collective that were able to come through her to teach her what it was that she was here to learn. And those came through the wounds that she needed to address. Now, a lot of those were around money, which is how she has become this incredible wealth and money coach because she's walked the walk. She has gone through it herself and she understands that so many of us carry very similar wounds, whether those are from our own childhood, whether those are from our family generation on our ancestry. We talk about that in the episode. And you'll hear little bits of her story as well as we just get into talking about a spirit and a soul-led life and a way to tap into life differently and a way to be here in this beautiful, generative, positive way that does not have to be the struggle bus that you might feel like you're on right now. So grab a cup of tea, your favorite bevy, sit down and enjoy this conversation with me and Emily June Wilcox on the Everyday Mystic. Hi, Emily. It's so beautiful to see you and thank you so much for coming on to The Everyday Mystic. Hi, Carissa. I'm so happy to be here. I can't wait to get to know you. It's so fun when I get people that come to me through their publicist or an agent to come in to speak because this podcast is fairly young and new, and a lot of my guests are people that I know. And so I know them already. And I and I we enter into these conversations, and it's a beautiful way to certainly get to know them more deeply. But I also love getting to know new people, obviously, part of my just my spirit and who I am in general, but certainly when it comes to this podcast, a beautiful way to connect with others who are on this path. Yes. The quote unquote path. So tell me, tell the audience a little bit more about your spiritual path. What brought you here today, connected to this uh conversation around mysticism and spirituality?

Emily June Wilcox:

Well, I mean, it's it's been a journey for sure. I grew up in the rural Midwest, and you know, with like a Methodist dad and an atheist mom and a very like real tri like Christian community that I had a babysitter who was like a second mom to me, and she went like very fringe Christian, and I kind of took her kids and me down that path with her for a while. So then I had to fully reject Christianity because it just turned into like a guilt and shame fest. And then I started meditating as a teenager. My dad had like a real spiritual awakening, and so he got on an Eastern religious path and kind of introduced me to that. So I was like a teenager reading Many Lives, Many Masters, Journey of Souls, um, autobiography of a yogi, and like trying to meditate a bit, although like also experimenting with alcohol and sex and like, you know, like doing normal teenager stuff. I so I was like on that path for many, many years. And then it's been in more recent years that I've kind of said, like, okay, like all dogma aside, all rigidity aside, because what I recognized is that like this craving or this imbalance of masculine and feminine energy was still showing up in my relationship to source. And so it was like I still had this feeling of like right and wrong, and here are the ideals for me to live up to, which was really just like my inner child, like wanting to please my dad, you know? And so as I healed that, it really opened me up to just like a more free-flowing relationship with source and like a daily conversation and bringing all of the non-physical beings that are here to support me, like into my work and into daily conversation and believing that, you know, you don't just have to commune in prayer or meditation, but like you can be communing all the time on this podcast, you know, and and you did a beautiful little ceremony, right? Where we sort of called in that energy. And that's very much what what I attempt to do in my work. You know, on surface, I'm a wealth and business coach who's just written a book. But like as I wrote the book and as I recorded the audio book, I asked for the blessings and asked for what was meant to come through to come through and really just followed the energy and let it be intuitively guided. So that's that's what it looks like.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Yeah, it's so beautiful. And I love it because it mirrors a lot of my journey too, and a lot of my guest journey of where there, you know, there is that, there's a lot of things fed to us early on, right? Of like, oh, here's a structured system or here's something to plug into. And those systems can carry a lot of wisdom, right? They can carry so many lessons and gifts within them. But then you hit those walls, I guess the dogmatic walls like you did, of where you're like, this feels really too, I don't know, might feel culty or it might feel too authoritarian or too structured at a certain point. Right. Of where I feel like those walls, then you you notice it's actually a barrier to us for sure in that communion with source. It's like, oh, this thing that is meant to guide us there is actually just a series of these barriers blocking us from the thing we're trying to connect to.

Emily June Wilcox:

Yeah. Well, and and creating distance and separation and making us feel like these lowly little creatures that you know are sort of constantly begging for forgiveness and constantly screwing up. Yeah, it's like, well, if God is in me and in you, then where do I have to go? How is there any distance? It's an illusion.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Absolutely. And really, meditation does help in that process, doesn't it? It to enter into that relationship and that understanding of, oh, it's all here. Everything is here, and it's about the recognition or awareness of that versus really doing anything specific. So I love what you shared about being able to call in what you need or who you what support you're looking for. It's so very practical, isn't it? Yeah. I think that even within the spiritual community and world, it can be also untouchable or or set up as being untouchable in many ways, too. It's like, oh, I'm a channel, I'm a medium, I'm a this, and and and and people who experience that within themselves separate themselves from those who don't have those gifts. But we all have those gifts. Right. That's it. And whether it's just fine-tuned or not, but to to be a channel is to just have that openness without those barriers to source. And then now we're channeling, right?

Emily June Wilcox:

Yeah.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Absolutely. Do you experience it in that way of where you just can have these what feels like a conversation with a girlfriend, but with source or with your guides?

Emily June Wilcox:

Yes. And Time and time again, that's the message that Spirit has for me. Because like I've signed up for programs where it's like, you know, to like learn how to channel or develop this or that. And it's like the message I always get is like, you're already doing it. Yes. You just don't know a lot of the time that you're doing it. And so I've learned to just trust that. And a lot of it comes through as confirmation, you know. So like I'll be on a coaching call with a client. And the analogy that just occurs to me to use, I might be talking about a pepper, and they're like, Emily, I just bought peppers this morning. There's literally peppers sitting on my countertop right now. And it's like, it's those little things that our spirit's way of winking at me and be like, see, see, you are doing it. And you don't have to distinguish what's your thought and what's our thought. Like that part doesn't matter. Just go, just do the thing. And so for me, it's often it's just like clear cognizance. It's just a knowing, it's just like a downloading of a full idea. And so it's it tends to be that it's just the thoughts are there. I've had moments where I have heard a thought and known in that moment that's not my thought. But that doesn't happen as often. More often, it just feels like this effortless, we're having a conversation and I'm saying the things that occurred to me to say. And then it's in your receiving of them and sharing, reflecting it back to me that we can recognize that the divine is involved in this conversation and that the messages that you need are coming through me, and vice versa.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Exactly. I was saying this to a recent podcast guest about feedback I've received about this podcast, that when people listen to it, it's exactly what they needed to hear that day, that moment. But what's interesting about podcasts is that I'm not recording it on that day, that moment, right? It's oftentimes it's from months earlier. But for that person tuning in at that moment, it's exactly what they needed. So we're all tapping in to source in our different ways and getting exactly what we need from it without it needing to be the same thing. We can all do that. And I think that's what's beautiful about this kind of life, that it's not this prescribed path. It's not, yeah, oh, Emily and I need to do the exact same things in order to achieve the thing we want. We can have very, it could look very different. It could be very different kinds of guidance coming in for both of us, but leading us to that same place. And not to discount the programs, not to discount the guidance that one might receive from a mediumship program or an intuitive gifts program. Like all of the teachers and the programs out there are just ways of opening us up, right? When you start to get into the line of where it's like, oh, my way is the only way, or this is the only path to this, then it starts to feel a little fishy.

Emily June Wilcox:

Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, I see this all the time in you know, in the entrepreneurship and the business world. And here's the thing that happens the person who found success, step one for them, whether they recognized it or not, was that they followed an intuitive hit. They were in their feminine energy, they received inspiration through the form of an idea, a feeling, whatever. And they followed that. They had success. And then now they want to help others have that same success, but they they don't emphasize step one. In fact, oftentimes they don't even talk about step one because they don't realize that that was the most important part of it. And so instead, they say, do exactly as I did to get the results that I got. And it's like, well, wait a second. If if I do the steps that you took without the most important part, which was following the divine inspiration, I very likely will get a wildly different result than you got. Because now I'm just trying to follow your 10-step plan instead of what's energetically aligned and correct for me. And so I think that's what happens all the time. And usually it's unknowingly and it's well intentioned. And sometimes it's just that it's so much easier to market the idea that like my 10-step plan will get you this result, period, end of story, than to lead people back to themselves, which is a much it's a it's a very different path. It's like I always say it's like the breadcrumb trail, you know, because Spirit never shows you the whole thing all at once. It's like one little thing at a time, and it's not as sexy of an idea as thinking you're buying this like tried and true map, and it's for sure gonna re lead you to the destination.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Proven success.

Emily June Wilcox:

Yeah. Yeah.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

The yeah, follow my strategy, my 10-step strategy. I know it's it is really, but you know what? People want that though. So many people want that, or at least think they want that, or their ego wants that. Unknowingly, they don't know exactly what you said that they're gonna potentially get wildly different results because they've closed off from their actual higher intelligence in the intelligence of that beautiful connection with spirit. And it's probably unfortunate for a lot of people who run those types of programs that those who don't succeed in it, it's not even for lack of that program being that program is probably amazing for what it is, but it's not necessarily the key to unlock that door to success for that particular person because we all all have our different paths. So, what for you was your what was the path? Because I know you tried some of that you know, strategic high-level strategy. You had a lot of what we will call masculine proven success formulas that you tried and did. What was it for you that made you realize that's not it? This this is not working for me.

Emily June Wilcox:

Yeah, I mean, I my path, it had to be the way that it was. You know, it was like those were the lessons that apparently I signed up for learning. And I'm still learning, right? But uh essentially in a nutshell, I started entrepreneurship when I became a mom. So I was working in corporate sales. I never thought that I would be a stay-at-home mom. My mom worked, my sister, my older sisters worked. I was in an industry that had a lot of working moms and had a pretty flexible schedule. So that's how I thought it was gonna go down. And while I was on maternity leave, my husband convinced me that we should start this kind of side hustle. We started selling baby onesies on Amazon because my husband, he was involved with Amazon and he knew how successful sellers were. And we just decided to try it at a very small scale. You know, we had this tiny infant. We're going to downtown Los Angeles, where we go to the American Apparel factory, and we're buying onesies and we're bringing them to the local screen printer, and we're putting them in the, you know, the poly bags themselves and slapping labels on them. And we got like 25 of each design or something. You know, this was not some large-scale operation. And we just thought, why not? Like, let's just try it and maybe this will fill the college fund. You know, 18 years later, maybe we'll have this thing where we want it to be. Then I went back to work when my baby is still weeks old. And it was such a rough re-entry. It was like every cell in my body was saying, this is not right. You're meant to be with your baby right now. And so I'm driving around Los Angeles with pumps attached to both boobs, paying somebody else a thousand dollars to watch my kid. And everything in me is saying, no, no, no, no, no, this is not right. This is not the way it's meant to be. And so I had the idea, like maybe this little thing that we're calling a side hustle. I wonder if we could grow it to a point where when I, by the time I'm ready to have another child, maybe, maybe this would be big enough to replace my income and I could do it differently. And so for three years, it was like, wake up, be a good mom, then go to work, then be a good mom in the afternoon and evening. And after my daughter goes to bed, I'm gonna put in like three solid hours of work growing this e-commerce business. And so over the next three years, we sold, you know, more than a million dollars in baby onesies. I'm now pregnant with number two. And although the e-commerce business was very successful, it was growing. We were paying for advertising. Whenever we sold one onesie, we needed to buy three more to keep up with the growth. There was some seasonality to it. So by the time you looked at what we took home, it wasn't stable enough. And it didn't really make sense that I could leave my job. And so some of our mentors said, Hey, you know, you're the go-to people for Amazon. Everyone looks to you for advice. You guys are the only ones that don't see that that's a business opportunity that you could, you know, capitalize on. So we started an Amazon marketing agency. And it was like between those two businesses and some paid maternity leave and a hope and a prayer and some divine intervention, it's like somehow it all like duct taped together to be enough that I didn't have to go back to my corporate job. And so during those years where I was working in corporate, and then in those years where the agency was still very young and we were kind of putting it all together, I was very much in my masculine energy. And my husband and I, we would even say to each other, like, yeah, things are crazy. Yeah, things are totally busy. We're in a we're a startup. That's just the way things are. It never occurred to us that it could be different. In fact, we were kind of like, we'll just outwork the competition. You know, it was like, You're gonna Gary V it. Yeah, totally. It was it that that was just our mentality was like, of course, we we're a brand new startup business. Like, obviously, it's a lot of work. And so the agency starts growing. We start, you know, hiring people, building out the team. I'm the CEO. That's like my focus. And we joined this very bro mastermind, and everybody in there, their goal was a hundred thousand dollar cash month. And we were at like 40k cash months when we joined. And so I was like, oh, okay, this is what we're doing. We're we're gonna try to do a hundred thousand dollar cash months. Like, great, count me in, you know, masculine energy, competition, focus, driven, success. Let's do it. And it took time, like probably took, I don't know, maybe a year. And it was so grindy. Like I look back on it and it's hilarious. They literally taught us every day to write our goal at the top of our daily planner and then like break it down into the actions that you were gonna take. And so it was just like this total pressure cooker. But we had our first hundred thousand dollar cash month. And uh, I thought, I'm gonna feel so successful, I'm gonna feel like we've made it. I'm gonna, the business is gonna be feel more stable, I'm gonna feel like the pressure is off. Maybe I'll I maybe I'll even feel rich. And we did it. And I was noticed myself avoiding scheduling like a celebration dinner. And I'm like, this is really weird. Like, why don't I even want to celebrate this milestone? And so I kind of went inward and was like, how am I really feeling about this? And how I really felt was anxious. It was like I didn't feel successful, I didn't feel safe, I didn't feel like we'd made it. I didn't feel like any of those things I thought I was gonna feel. Instead, I just had anxiety. And what it was is my mind was like, is this a thing now? Do we have to do $100,000 cash every month? Because time's a ticking, lady. It's a new month. We're like three days in. How are we gonna do this again? Right. And that was the moment for me where it was like, the jig is up. Okay. Like if $100,000 cash in a single month can't make me feel the way that I want to feel, I'm not gonna just move the milestone. And I'm not just gonna say, like, okay, it's really like $200,000 cash months, and like that's gonna do it. I was like, something, something's gotta change. And I think I just have this whole thing backwards, and I need to go inward and really work on my money mindset and what's going on here. And so as I did that, I ended, you know, I was working with coaches and healers. I did a ton of inner child healing, which really helped me to rebalance my masculine and feminine energy, helped me to see all of the places where, you know, this striving and achievement orientation was just playing out old patterns that weren't serving me. And so that was really the beginning of this new paradigm and this new way of doing things. And, you know, I also have a podcast. It's called The Joyous Path to Millions. And that's kind of like that's the movement for me first, but for other people, which is like, I'm no longer available for delayed gratification. It's like it's gotta be gratifying now and later. It's gotta be joyful now and joyful later because I realize like we're really bad as humans at predicting what's gonna make us feel the way we want to feel. And so we just spend a lot of time chasing these goals. And then we get there, and it turns out we don't even actually feel the way we thought we were going to. And it's the feeling that we want more than the thing. And so when we can just cultivate that feeling, which is an inside job first and foremost, then all of a sudden the work becomes enjoyable. There's no more hustle, there's no more grind. And so that led me into becoming a coach and helping other women get free and creating a whole money wound healing methodology and writing the book and all of the things.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

What is your book called?

Emily June Wilcox:

It's called Wounds to Wealth and the Life-Ching Method of Diagnosing and Healing Your Money Wounds to Receive More Wealth.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Yes, there's a lot of those wounds, whether it's generational or that it comes just from your family, your family structure, and all of the what we think is possible versus what's not possible. And I think that's well, you hit on that a lot of where what we think or how we think and feel a business should operate, which is within this structured strategic, hustle and grind kind of flow in order to be successful, limits us from actually entering into that flow of where we're going to create success based on what we're actually meant to do here. And in a way that feels, like you said, joyous and feels amazing as you do it. There shouldn't be, and I don't think that we don't need to be in this sort of structure of where one, like you said, a delayed gratification, or two, of where we're punishing ourselves. So it's really almost like we are here on this earth to suffer. And even spiritual traditions will say that, right? That's human suffering and spirituality is our pathway away from that suffering. And I I also don't believe that. I believe that this earthly life can be so beautiful and so joyful and so fulfilling. It's not being in this human body can be all of that. And it's almost like the answer to get there is exact is the thing itself. It's like you just have to learn, right?

Emily June Wilcox:

Okay, let's talk about this for a second, though, because that this was like a massive aha moment for me, too, especially because, like most Eastern traditions, there's this real disconnect between the human experience and the soul experience. And so it was like the way that I learned to meditate, they would literally say this they would say, turn off the five cents telephones. It was basically like dissociate with the body and just associate with the soul. And I could do that. I mean, I can sit and for six hours in meditation. I've been there, done that, like bought the t-shirt. And yet, then when I would come back into the body, it was always like a little bit of a rough re-entry where it was like, oh, okay, well, great. Now I'm back in this thing. And it felt so wildly different to be having the human experience versus what I was feeling in meditation. And I just kind of thought that was the way it was. And I'm like, hold on a second. A lot of the different spiritual teachers that I was listening to talk about how hard the souls fight to get into human bodies. You really have to want it. And I was like, well, isn't if that's true. And that it's a choice. Yeah. If that's true, that I had to really want it and it was a choice, and here I am. Why would my soul have come to have the human experience if I was gonna spend the whole human experience trying to pretend that I'm just a soul and turn off every part of me that's having a human and body experience? Yeah, exactly. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. And so it was like, you know, that really helped me to realize, like, no, as Abraham Hicks says, it's like our souls wanted to be on the cutting edge of manifestation and they wanted to experience what it's like to co-create in this human form. And so then I started looking at it more as this game, you know, it's kind of like the matrix. And it's like, well, how do you how do you hack the video game? How do you level up? How do you get the secret mushroom that allows you to grow wings and like fly up into the clouds instead of just running around on the ground where the bad guys are? Like, if you look at it that way, it's not that bad things don't ever happen, they do, but it's like, how do I make the most out of this experience? And how do I continue to love? Up and play at this game of co-creation so that I get to experience everything I want to experience while I'm here.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Yes, exactly. And first, understanding that we have that power, that it's our birthright, that this is what we're here to do. Just like you said, if the spiritual traditions, if our own intuition tells us we chose this, that not every soul actually wants to come here, that this is kind of like a, you know, this earth school is it's hardcore. Like, okay, we're gonna go down, we're gonna do this thing, we're gonna live this, you know, we're gonna get in the dirt and do it. Yes, why would you spend all your time trying to escape that? And I was saying this to someone else uh the other day that it is to want to escape it is essentially to want to die and re-enter into that soul space. And there's nothing wrong with that either, but it's kind of like, well, is that what you really want?

Emily June Wilcox:

Yeah, I feel like you're gonna get back up there and your soul's gonna be like, ah, you didn't understand the assignment. Now we we gotta we need to do over.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Yeah, yeah, we've probably done that many times.

Emily June Wilcox:

Yeah.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Yeah. And coming into, let's say, this relationship, and that's how I really see it. It's like a relationship with source, our guides, any sort of energy that is not necessarily right here on the earthy plane, any energy outside of us that might, but we may be connecting to, we can have those relationships, just like it's a relationship here between people. The more we normalize it and the more that we, I don't know, I guess that's the best word I can think of for it. It's like the more we normalize it, the more that it just becomes part of your everyday existence or just becomes life versus like you said, oh, I've got to go off to this place to meditate for six hours a day, or I've got to set this special time aside to go and focus on this. It's like, oh, I can, I'm in the the energy of that, this the spirit of that all the time. And you live from that place. And it sounds like you do, you definitely live from that place. What do you do to remind yourself of to be in that place? Because I know that you know that's part of the matrix too, is that it can distract us with all sorts of shiny objects to forget and to go back to sleep from that dual nature of self, that we are both the soul and the body, and that we're here to have this experience. And we're given a lot of things here to tempt us away from that understanding or that remembrance. So, what are some things that you do to keep that locked in?

Emily June Wilcox:

Well, I'm a manifesting generator in human design. So, one thing I've learned is that it's like there's probably nothing I'm gonna share that I do every day for the rest of my life. It's very ebb and flow, but there always are tools that I'm using. I just kind of swap them out as intuitively feels good. But I think that is part of just the way that I'm hardwired too. It's like, I don't want to do the same thing every day forever. So I have a law of attraction app on my phone. And a lot of times, right when I wake up in the morning, it will be the first thing I think of. And so I open that up and it's so simple. It asks you like three or four questions about your day. And Abraham Hicks calls this pre-paving. So it's basically deciding how you want the day to go before it happens, right? And so sometimes I'll do that very first thing in the morning while I'm still in bed. Um, it's like say the things that I'm gonna do today, say how I want them to feel as I do them. What are what are some of the outcomes that I hope will come from the day? And so that's a really fun and easy way to start from like a uh in communion with higher self, right? You really have to tap in and be intentional and um not just be in this routine that sweeps you away. Um I like oracle cards. So sometimes I'll be guided to pull those either for myself or for my clients. And it's like it's always right on time, whatever the message is. And I cultivating friend group is super important. So, you know, I have friends that are also on their own spiritual paths. And so if you look at our Instagram group chat, it's like we're sending each other very inspiring things and things that remind you. Because it's like you get sucked into the matrix when you forget you're in the matrix. If you have people and things that continue to remind you, you know, that's really helpful. And speaking of that, even if you don't have friends to do it, cultivate your algorithm. You know, if you teach Instagram or TikTok or whatever that that's the kind of content you like, then pretty soon you're getting reminders all the time, anytime you go on social media. You know, I have things in my house that are kind of like anchor points for me that remind me of certain things. I have like a Sekhmet goddess statue that I got when I was in Egypt. I have a citrine crystal that like every time I look at it makes me think about just manifestation and law of attraction. And so I really believe it's like all these little things sort of woven together that keep us in remembrance. And I do think it gets easier over time because then that becomes your baseline. And then it's almost like you're just having to remember the energy, whatever the frequency or the energy is of the next level, like whatever that is for you. But it's like your baseline gets better and better and better so that even on a bad day, your thoughts are more of a neutral observer versus spiraling into, you know, old patterns and anxiety and that kind of stuff.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Yeah, it is so so true that, and this is gonna sound silly to anybody who's ever practiced anything. It's like, of course, as you practice, it becomes easier. That's what practice is, right?

Emily June Wilcox:

Yeah.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

If you've ever learned how to play an instrument or play a sport or learn a thing to study something, the more you spend with it and involved in it, the more it just becomes ingrained in who you are. So where you're not even thinking about it anymore. You're not even, yeah, you're not have you don't need all the little triggers or the things. It's just become part of the fabric of you. But is that on the one hand, that's why the practices are so important. And on the other hand, why they don't mean anything, right? It's like they're both it's both.

Emily June Wilcox:

Right. Totally, totally. And you know, something that I uh talk to my students and clients about a lot is, you know, if it's new for you to like tap into your intuition or how you feel, or it's new to you to be thinking about manifestation or co-creation or asking the divine for support. It's like start small. Start with things that feel inconsequential. Like, what do I feel like having for lunch? Do I want this or this? And like just stop for a second and tap in and see if your body is guiding you in a certain direction. There's no huge consequence if you eat the spaghetti instead of the sandwich or vice versa. But it's like practice on that kind of stuff. Sometimes I see people where it's like the first thing that they want to manifest, and the first thing they want their intuition to lead them to is like, you know, whatever, like a $50,000 investment. And it's like there's a lot going on there. There's a lot of fears being projected on that. We are because it's related to money, we project a ton onto money anyway, as it is, what it means about us, our worthiness, our belonging. Is it okay? Is it societally acceptable? Can I have it? All this kind of stuff. And so that's not the best place to start. It's one of the hardest places to start. Start with what you want to have for lunch, what you want to do that day, um, which shirt you want to wear. And then ask for the divine guidance on things that would just be like a fun bonus. Whatever. I'd love to manifest a red rose today. Great. I don't have a ton of resistance to that. I don't have a lot of stories around what it means to receive a red rose and if I'm worthy of it and da-da-da-da-da. So that's a great place to start. So I just wanted to share that as a little tip for everybody listening because it it there's a fun and lightheartedness to it when we pick the stuff that is seemingly inconsequential. And then it's a and then it feels wonderful when the divine shows up and gives it to us and supports us in it. And then we start to build trust in that relationship.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Yes, it's all about baby steps starting small. Uh, thank you so much for sharing that advice. I love it. What do you think is the why is there so much heavy energy around money?

Emily June Wilcox:

As you mentioned, ancestral conditioning, familial conditioning, societal conditioning, all of that. And we, you know, if you've ever seen Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you know, it's like this pyramid. And the bottom level is survival needs, like physiological needs, food, shelter, water. And then, you know, one rung up from that is belonging needs. And so until we get those things met, we don't even move up into the levels of thinking about service to our community and self-actualization. And money, well, yes, it's technically just like a piece of paper or whatever. What it symbolizes for most of us is safety and basic needs for survival. And so for a lot of us, the triggers around money and the part of our mind, the unconscious mind that has one mission, which is to keep us alive, gets very activated anytime there's something that it thinks is a perceived threat to our survival. And so, of course, we need money in order to take care of our basic needs. But then we've also often attached money to our belonging in ways that are not necessarily helpful for us, right? So we're afraid of the judgment and of others. And if you think about it, when you're a baby, belonging actually is really important for your survival, right? If your parents don't want you as a baby, well, they don't even have to kill you. All they have to do is just leave you somewhere. And that lack of belonging equates death. And so many of us are walking around with that same feeling, even though the facts have changed and we're now adults and we're now capable. And a lack of belonging doesn't mean death, our unconscious mind still processes it in that exact same way. And so, what does it do? It starts this whole cascade of physiological responses that are associated with fight, flight, typically those two. Yeah. I mean, I could go on and on about this, but you just asked the question like, why do we project all of this on money? I think there's tons more to it, but at a most basic level, it's because we've equated it with survival and then one rung up from that, which is belonging, that makes it feel like such a mission critical thing. And therefore we've added all kinds of extra meanings and conditions and issues on top of it that wouldn't otherwise be there if we were just talking about even oxygen, which oddly is critical to our survival. But, you know, we we just don't feel that way about it.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

It is well, it's interesting as you say that, because it's like, I guess there are a subset of people that might have those same similar hangups around food, something that is so critical for our survival, and maybe something within their life experience created that fractured or you know, traumatic relationship around something that's so necessary for our life, but yet that relationship is not structured, right? It's not strong, it's not like a good attached relationship. It's a really interesting way to look at money that because it's been tied so much psychologically to our survival, even though we lived at a time. I mean, we humans didn't have money always, right? There wasn't a money system for for our entire human beingness. So the fact that it's become so tied into survival and belonging and self-worth and things, it's just interesting to think about that and how influential, I guess, that a system it is. Yeah, that it's actually changed us in such deep foundational ways. Yeah. Whereas before we may have been cool with just like trading stuff, being like, oh, you did this for me, I'm gonna do this for you, or here's something, here's a token of my appreciation, or and a gift rather than oh, it's a payment. So it's uh that to me is fascinating about how in a relatively short time the money system has really messed up a lot of us.

Emily June Wilcox:

Yeah. But you bring up a good point because it is not innate to our humanness. And that's a very good thing because when we look at any of our beliefs, it's like, was it there the day I was born? And if it wasn't, then it means that it was conditioned. And that means that we can decondition it. It's like if I ask you to change the color of your skin, or if I ask you to change your eye color, or I ask you to change something that is more innate to you, you're gonna have a lot harder time with that. Like, hey, Carissa, could you just change your height, please? Yeah, right? What uh okay. But yeah, our beliefs, our thoughts, our feelings, those have been conditioned and they can be deconditioned and they're not absolute truth. And we can change them and we can have a completely different relationship with money where it feels neutral or it feels positive, where it feels good to spend, it feels good to save, it feels good to receive. That's very, very possible.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

That's a beautiful point about life in general, that that most of it is conditioned, isn't it? Most of what we feel and think and how we operate in the world, it has been programmed into us. And that to me is such an empowering realization. Right. Because of exactly what you said. Oh, that means I can deprogram and decondition from this, that it actually doesn't have to be this way. I have so loved our conversation. What are the ways that those who want to deprogram, decondition themselves from these money wounds? What are some of the things that they can do with you to get that process started?

Emily June Wilcox:

I have a free quiz if you go to moneywoundsquiz.com, and that allows you to on the spot diagnose your top money wounds and it leads you into some free healing resources. So that's a great place to start. We mentioned the book, which is available on Amazon as an ebook, uh, paperback, or an audiobook. So you just search wounds to wealth and you'll get that. I do have a program called Money Wound Medicine, where I've guided hundreds of students through this process of diagnosing and healing their money wounds and then alchemizing them into new channels of wealth. Um, so you know, people couldn't, you can reach out to me or go to emilywilcox.com to find info about that. So those are some great ways to get started. And then I do one-off intensives as well. So I use a method called RRT, which is really effective at removing that old programming, the way that unconscious was processing information and causing it to process in a new way that's more in alignment with how you want to feel and how you want things to be for you. So that's a fun way to interact and work together as well.

Corissa Saint Laurent:

Beautiful. And tune into your podcast. Yes, The Joyous Path to Millions. Yay! I'm gonna put all the links to all of that stuff in the show notes so people can connect to you. And I just want to remind people, I mean, you probably heard it through this whole conversation that I talk to people who are walking the talk. Emily's gone through this herself. It's not, oh, I've got this wisdom that I took a course on, and now I'm gonna pass that on to you. She's actually lived this and is living this path. And to me, that's the most valuable to others wanting to learn is work with people who are living that path, that are actually in it rather than just talking about it. Emily is one of those people. So if you're interested in not just to me, what it sounds like, not just tapping into your own wounds to achieve more wealth, but to simply do that for the purpose of understanding who you are, to getting to that place of living a more fulfilling and dream life, whatever that looks like, and ultimately to live that life in connection to the divine and to source. So if those are goals of yours, things that you want to do, Emily sounds like such a beautiful guide and mentor in all that. So connect with her. Thank you so much, Emily, for connecting with us. I'm so excited to stay in touch with you and talk to you again.

Emily June Wilcox:

Likewise, thank you so much for having me.